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	<title>Comments on: Contractors Gaming The System. Guess What? You Lose</title>
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		<title>By: JenWojcik</title>
		<link>http://youguru.net/blog/2009/07/contractors-gaming-the-system-guess-what-you-lose/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>JenWojcik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt: Great question. 

Not always but there are usually certain key details that are consistent across postings. Length of contract, specific skills needed. It is generally easier to tell for a technical contract position than others. 

Generally speaking, however, agencies don't usually re-write job descriptions for posting...pretty easy to tell. 

It is imperative though that you speak in-depth with the recruiter to be sure that you are not being submitted twice. This may take some due diligence on your part. Clarify even down to the requisition number on the company's website if you must.

If an agency refuses to tell you who the client is and is otherwise secretive about the opportunity...move on. You most likely don't want to work with that particular agency anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt: Great question. </p>
<p>Not always but there are usually certain key details that are consistent across postings. Length of contract, specific skills needed. It is generally easier to tell for a technical contract position than others. </p>
<p>Generally speaking, however, agencies don&#8217;t usually re-write job descriptions for posting&#8230;pretty easy to tell. </p>
<p>It is imperative though that you speak in-depth with the recruiter to be sure that you are not being submitted twice. This may take some due diligence on your part. Clarify even down to the requisition number on the company&#8217;s website if you must.</p>
<p>If an agency refuses to tell you who the client is and is otherwise secretive about the opportunity&#8230;move on. You most likely don&#8217;t want to work with that particular agency anyway.<br /></p>
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		<title>By: Matt Genovese</title>
		<link>http://youguru.net/blog/2009/07/contractors-gaming-the-system-guess-what-you-lose/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Genovese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I haven't been in the contract job market for that long, is it typical that the job posting text is the same for every recruiting agency that posts it?  That is, is it always obvious (to the contractor) that he/she is applying for the same job opportunity across multiple agencies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I haven&#8217;t been in the contract job market for that long, is it typical that the job posting text is the same for every recruiting agency that posts it?  That is, is it always obvious (to the contractor) that he/she is applying for the same job opportunity across multiple agencies?<br /></p>
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		<title>By: JenWojcik</title>
		<link>http://youguru.net/blog/2009/07/contractors-gaming-the-system-guess-what-you-lose/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>JenWojcik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ: Absolutely. You’ll note that I encourage candidates to follow up frequently with the recruiting firm to gain insight into the status of their submission, if there is feedback, etc.

If you are just not getting any answers, or feel that the agency is unresponsive to you…fire them as you would any other service provider. Give them an opportunity to rectify and if the condition persists…put it in writing and move on.

Thanks for clarifying that point!

Jen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ: Absolutely. You’ll note that I encourage candidates to follow up frequently with the recruiting firm to gain insight into the status of their submission, if there is feedback, etc.</p>
<p>If you are just not getting any answers, or feel that the agency is unresponsive to you…fire them as you would any other service provider. Give them an opportunity to rectify and if the condition persists…put it in writing and move on.</p>
<p>Thanks for clarifying that point!</p>
<p>Jen<br /></p>
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		<title>By: Russ Somers</title>
		<link>http://youguru.net/blog/2009/07/contractors-gaming-the-system-guess-what-you-lose/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Somers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jen! It's good to see the situation laid out from both the agency's and the company's point of view. Without that, it's easy for a candidate to make the mistake of viewing the market as a numbers game and another agency call as one more spin of the wheel.

At one point I was called by four agencies about the same opportunity. When I told them that I was working with another recruiter on the same role, each of them dropped me (courteously) like a hot potato. Nobody had articulated the 'thou shalt not' as clearly as you did above, but it just seemed like the right thing to let them know.

One thing that's tricky here is the letter disallowing the first agency from representing you. It sounds right but also has a risk of burning a bridge. (Admittedly one that wasn't getting you anywhere, but on the rare occasions I've burned a career bridge I've always regretted it). My take on that would be to have a frank conversation with the person first so that at least the letter doesn't come as a surprise; would you agree with that approach?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jen! It&#8217;s good to see the situation laid out from both the agency&#8217;s and the company&#8217;s point of view. Without that, it&#8217;s easy for a candidate to make the mistake of viewing the market as a numbers game and another agency call as one more spin of the wheel.</p>
<p>At one point I was called by four agencies about the same opportunity. When I told them that I was working with another recruiter on the same role, each of them dropped me (courteously) like a hot potato. Nobody had articulated the &#8216;thou shalt not&#8217; as clearly as you did above, but it just seemed like the right thing to let them know.</p>
<p>One thing that&#8217;s tricky here is the letter disallowing the first agency from representing you. It sounds right but also has a risk of burning a bridge. (Admittedly one that wasn&#8217;t getting you anywhere, but on the rare occasions I&#8217;ve burned a career bridge I&#8217;ve always regretted it). My take on that would be to have a frank conversation with the person first so that at least the letter doesn&#8217;t come as a surprise; would you agree with that approach?<br /></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://youguru.net/blog/2009/07/contractors-gaming-the-system-guess-what-you-lose/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew that dealing with multiple firms for a single position was a no-no but never understood the reasoning. Thanks for the insight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew that dealing with multiple firms for a single position was a no-no but never understood the reasoning. Thanks for the insight!<br /></p>
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